tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post3909795439910363806..comments2024-02-22T14:24:55.701+05:30Comments on தருமி (SAM): 353. மதங்கள் - இஸ்லாம்தருமிhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02446077904734676229noreply@blogger.comBlogger178125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-60685258499418308472009-12-16T15:30:37.161+05:302009-12-16T15:30:37.161+05:30//Whoever says “I don’t believe in models of GOD b...//Whoever says “I don’t believe in models of GOD but I believe in his existence” then he is already a MUSLIM. So We all follow the same religion. Let us come to that common term first.//<br /><br />ஒரு வாக்கியத்துல எல்லோரையும் (அவங்களுக்கு தெரியாமலேயே?) மதம் மாத்திபுட்டீங்களே!<br /><br />நீங்கள் சொல்லும் கருத்து தான் என்னுடையதும். ஆனால், அதற்கு "அல்லா" என்று பெயர் வைக்க நீங்கள் யார்? நான் சொல்வேன் அந்த existence-ன் பெயர் "விஷ்ணு" என்று. ஒத்துக் கொள்வீர்கள் என்று நினைக்கிறேன். அதனால், இன்று முதல் நீங்களும் ஒரு "இந்து" தான்...எப்பூடி? ;)<br /><br />//SO WE ARE ALL WORSHIPPING THE SAME GOD…//<br /><br />Exactly. Then why the hell you name it as "Allah"? Who gave you the authority?<br /><br />//You asked “then who created GOD”. GOD would not be created nor destroyed.//<br /><br />In our Software Industry, we will use the same sentence, just for fun. It goes like this: "A Bug cannot be created or destroyed; But can ONLY be transformed from one form into another". (Here, Bug does not mean any insect / living thing. But a Software Error is called as a Bug).<br /><br />//whatever Allah(swt) told about Honey Bees are proved scientifically to be accurate.//<br /><br />When Science, which invents many things (including stuffs like AK47) is against Islam, how can you accept a scientically proven thing? (This does not mean that I accepted you sentence above...)<br /><br />//PLEASE BRING ON A SINGLE VERSE FROM QUR’AN WHICH IS SCIENTIFICALLY INCORRECT. THAT’S IS A OPEN CHALLENGE<br /><br />Let me tell you again, all the 114 chapters of Qur’an is very well researched and found to be so accurate with logical, scientifically, moral values. More and More researches bring on new info from Qur’an which is quite fascinating.//<br /><br />Mudiyala...<br /><br />//Also whatever you misunderstood like urinating, beard, wearing white cloths etc are not the commands of GOD. So what you said is TOTALLY wrong. Please prove your point from Qur’an. //<br /><br />But most of your Muslims are following these, strictly, which are not the commands of god. I think we need not prove this. Rather, you have to tell YOUR fellow Muslims that god did not command those and hence stop practising all these.<br /><br />Even god did not command you not to lighten a lamp, correct? Please tell this to E. Ahmed too.<br /><br />//I thank all of you for spending your valuable time with me. In any case I hurt your feeling, please forgive for the sake of Allah(swt).//<br /><br />I think I shall forgive you (in case, if there is a need) for the sake of Mine and not for the sake of Allah.<br /><br />//நல்ல கடவுள்! நல்ல மதம்!! ஒண்ணுமே புரியலைங்க … ரொம்ப ரொம்ப வித்தியாசமா அல்லாவும் / நபியும் யோசிச்சிருக்காங்க.//<br /><br />அல்லாவும் / நபியும் யோசிச்சிருக்காங்களா? தங்கள் கருத்தில் (தங்கள் நம்பிக்கைக்கு எதிராகவே) பிழை உள்ளது, தருமி சாரி. நபி மட்டும் தான் யோசிச்சிருக்கார் ;)<br /><br /><b>எல்லாத்தையும் படிச்சு முடிச்சு ஒரு முடிவுக்கு வர்றதுக்குள்ள தாவு தீருது சார்.</b>சீனுhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00689017611297763002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-91336482496449762962009-12-16T13:43:26.337+05:302009-12-16T13:43:26.337+05:30I think, you took that opinion from his this post:...I think, you took that opinion from his this post:<br /><br />http://syedsoutsidethebox.blogspot.com/2009/10/not-for-muslims.html<br /><br />If so, you are wrong. He sounds like a rational Muslim.மு மாலிக்https://www.blogger.com/profile/12795072475725447179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-49489042562982882632009-12-16T13:30:49.479+05:302009-12-16T13:30:49.479+05:30//கலவெட்டு கொடுத்துள்ள 3 தொடுப்புகளில் இரண்டு அந்த...//கலவெட்டு கொடுத்துள்ள 3 தொடுப்புகளில் இரண்டு அந்த சமயத்தாராலேயே நடத்தப்படுகின்றன. ஒன்று பழைய முஸ்லீம்களால்.//<br /><br /> பழைய முஸ்லீம்களாலா ? அப்படி ஒரு தொடுப்பு ஒன்றைக் கொடுத்துள்ளாரா ? எது அதுன்னு தெரியலையே ! நான் மூன்றையும் பார்த்தேனே !மு மாலிக்https://www.blogger.com/profile/12795072475725447179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-91365307918488106122009-12-08T09:07:46.926+05:302009-12-08T09:07:46.926+05:30ஆஷிக்,
//People are reading what’s going on and l...ஆஷிக்,<br /><br />//People are reading what’s going on and let them decide who is running short of answers.//<br /><br /> ஆமால்ல … அவங்களே முடிவெடுத்துக் கொள்ளட்டும்தருமிhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446077904734676229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-14582497937273749222009-12-08T09:06:49.712+05:302009-12-08T09:06:49.712+05:30கேள்வி: 7
ஆஷிக்,
//ii) Drawing: As far as drawi...கேள்வி: 7<br /><br />ஆஷிக், <br /><br />//ii) Drawing: As far as drawing is concerned, in prophet (pbuh)’s period, people drew pictures of animate beings (like men, animals, birds) which directly lead to shirk (associating partners with Allah (swt)) which is condemned by Allah (swt) in several places in Qur’an<br />Hence it is clear that Messenger of Allah(swt), condemned making images of animate things as it was directly lead to shirk. //<br /><br />ஆக, படங்கள் வரைவது அல்லாவுக்குப் பிடிக்காது. அப்படியானால், சினிமா, காணொளி <b>(நம்ம ஜாக்கிர் நாய்க் சொல்ற யூட்யூப் எல்லாமே அப்போ ஹராமா??)</b>, நிழற்படமெடுத்தல், வரைதல் இதுபோன்ற எதுவும் அல்லாவால் தடை செய்யப்பட்டுள்ளது.<br /><br />நல்ல கடவுள்! நல்ல மதம்!! ஒண்ணுமே புரியலைங்க … ரொம்ப ரொம்ப வித்தியாசமா அல்லாவும் / நபியும் யோசிச்சிருக்காங்க.தருமிhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446077904734676229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-88247409973266572362009-12-08T09:05:03.027+05:302009-12-08T09:05:03.027+05:30கேள்வி: 6
ஆஷிக்,
//a) There are no verses in Qur...கேள்வி: 6<br />ஆஷிக், <br /><br />//a) There are no verses in Qur’an which condemns Music. The verse that you quoted from Qur’an 26:224 condemns some poets (there is a huge difference between poet and musician)//<br /><br />இதன் பிறகு நீங்கள் குரானின் 26:225-227 வசனங்களைக் கொடுத்துள்ளீர்கள். ஆனால் context பார்க்க வேண்டுமானால் முந்திய பகுதியல்லவா பார்க்க வேண்டும். அது என்ன சொல்கிறது: <br />அத். 27; 221 -223 என்ன சொல்கிறது: <br />221. ஷைத்தான்கள் எவர்மீது இறங்குகின்றனர் என்பதை உங்களுக்கு நான் அறிவிக்கட்டுமா? <br />22. பாவியான பொய்யர்கள் ஒவ்வொருவன் மீதும் இறங்குகின்றனர். <br />223. (ஷைத்தான்கள்) தாம் கேள்விப்பட்டதைப் (பொய்யர்களின் காதுகளில்,) போடுகின்றனர்; அவர்களில் பெரும்பாலோர் பொய்யர்கள் தாம். <br />224. <b>கவிஞர்கள் – அவர்களை வழிகெட்டவர்கள்தாம் பின்பற்றுகிறார்கள்.</b> <br />Am I twisting?<br /><br />Here Allah Almighty refers to those poets, who “wander distracted in every valley” and who do not practice what they say. It is these poets who are disapproved. <br /><br />இல்லை; எல்லா கவிஞர்களும்தான்.தருமிhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446077904734676229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-58763568475117788312009-12-02T19:38:13.488+05:302009-12-02T19:38:13.488+05:30//Every religious scripture has some good things i...//Every religious scripture has some good things in them, but they also have very very bad morals and weird restrictions.//<br /><br />again do not agree, again i say you are confused with various scriptures, or read about a particular incident(ex.gallileo trial) and blame all religion, and say there is no god. have you read all the scriptures of all religion ? if yes, what was your notion before reading it. dharumi sir's this post is based on various books he has read, obviously the single reason he read those books was to crticicize this religion(correct me sir, if i am wrong) ... and for that obvious reason he might have missed or misinterepted various sections of the script(it is human nature, not in anyway questioning authors intellect here)..or the translation or many factors which i cannot explain...i am making a guess here since i have not read those scriptures which dharumi sir is quoting.Samuel | சாமுவேல்https://www.blogger.com/profile/17932610762927945324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-245967263789304882009-12-02T19:38:13.489+05:302009-12-02T19:38:13.489+05:30Hi Sis, (still cant decide on proper salutation)
...Hi Sis, (still cant decide on proper salutation)<br /><br />"survival of fittest"...as i understand also means, the weaker section of a species or animal (you said society) gets killed, they do not get to survive, they die, only the stronger ones survive. this is the first time i am hearing a whole lot of moral value explanation for 'survivial of fittest' theory. <br />if we have 10 people in a place and 5 people are weak and old and 5 people are stronger, and there is just not enough food, the theory says, those 5 people will not survive, since they are weak. <br /><br />what does religion says...."repect your parents in their old age"..."Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends." it also says care for the weak, care for poor, care for underprivileged. i am not trying to compare 'survivial of fittest' with religion, but the theory just does not hold good for moral behaviour. now you might say i have understood 'survivial of fittest' wrongly, and point me to a scientific document....i will say the same thing about my religion, you have understood it wrongly, read the scriptures properly.Samuel | சாமுவேல்https://www.blogger.com/profile/17932610762927945324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-35579369501156009972009-12-02T19:35:28.461+05:302009-12-02T19:35:28.461+05:30hi Thekkikattan
i cant understand how animals got...hi Thekkikattan<br /><br />i cant understand how animals got into the argument. ok fair enough. since you told about monkey, i can say monkeys steal things, they dont have moral values. though i do not agree on animal species surivival is realted to there morality, i can also easily say, without human hunting on them , there are many endangered species and species which got extinct in monkey family(or for that matter any other animal family) itself....<br /><br />dont you think you are trying to explain a very vauge concept,connecting survival of speicies to their morality. or i might not have understood clearly, you can explain more clearly, if possible.Samuel | சாமுவேல்https://www.blogger.com/profile/17932610762927945324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-42711277111714672642009-12-02T07:26:43.485+05:302009-12-02T07:26:43.485+05:30Dear Sammy,
I missed the question.
Here's h...Dear Sammy,<br /><br />I missed the question. <br /><br />Here's how I understand it.<br />We evolved as very strong social animals. We live in communities and we depend on people all the time. So our ability to survive strongly depends on us getting along with other people. This has been the case for a long long time. Even our early ancestors lived in social groups. Hence cooperation was/is a necessity for each of our survival. i.e. If we were not nice to each other as a group, we wouldn’t have as a species survived. So if we applied the survival of the fittest theory here, the fittests would have been the ones which are cooperative – any traits that promotes this behaviour is selected.<br />So the feelings of empathy and expectations of reciprocity, give and take behaviours are crucial behaviours for our own survival, which can be equivalent to morality.<br />If you look around different cultures many obvious rules are very similar in every society. Do not do anything to others that you wouldn’t want to be done to you; take care of kids and elderly; do not kill, cheat, steal or lie; no adultery or incest, etc, etc, etc. But it also allow for variations. Because each culture can assign different weights to the not so obvious rules: having multiple partners, abortion, etc. Stable societies tend to be societies in which majority of people practice acceptable behaviours. That is … good morals. Whenever new situations arises we as a society can assess the situation, weigh out the pros and cons and decide whether to allow it or prohibit it or even allow it with certain restrictions.<br />Innate sense of morality can be observed in children as young as 6 months.<br /><br /><b>"i said religious beleif has taught moral values, i never said all religious belivers are moral....religion says they are doing sin, they go to hell... and also religion says there is good and there is bad."</b><br /><br />How did you figure that religion has taught us moral values.<br />Every religious scripture has some good things in them, but they also have very very bad morals and weird restrictions. Only fundamentalists (thankfully a minority, otherwise we are all doomed) follow them literally. Many of the moderate believers actually pick and choose a lot. How do you think they decide which ones to choose and which ones to omit - most of the time it depends on how they were brought up, their environment and their personality. You can easily see this around you.<br />We face so many different situations now that are not in the scriptures. How do you think we decide whether genetic modification, stem cell research are the right things to do or wrong things to do?<br /><br />A very recent study found exactly that but with many other sophisticated tests.<br /><br />“For many religious people, the popular question "What would Jesus do?" is essentially the same as "What would I do?" That's the message from an intriguing and controversial new study by Nicholas Epley from the University of Chicago. Through a combination of surveys, psychological manipulation and brain-scanning, he has found that when religious Americans try to infer the will of God, they mainly draw on their own personal beliefs.”<br />http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2009/11/creating_god_in_ones_own_image.php<br /><br />Besides like Thekkikattan said where do you think other animals especially our closest cousins get their morality from?<br /><br /><b>"i said religious beleif has taught moral values, i never said all religious belivers are moral...."</b><br /><br />If religions are teaching morals shouldn't religious people be the example of that moral teaching?Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447559419199536422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-3321955930230546972009-12-01T21:15:22.498+05:302009-12-01T21:15:22.498+05:30//Can you honestly say the religion helps people t...//Can you honestly say the religion helps people to be more moral?// <br /><br />yes, 100%. i also asked you who made the definition for what is right and what is wrong, you forgot to answer that.understandable.<br /><br />//Is there any religious country in the world where you'll be safe without a police or law department?//<br /><br />i said religious beleif has taught moral values, i never said all religious belivers are moral....religion says they are doing sin, they go to hell... and also religion says there is good and there is bad.<br /><br />dharumi..<br />seriously i have not read many of the comments in this post itself...and i am not reading links also.perhaps on a weekend i will try to read the links. thanks for that.Samuel | சாமுவேல்https://www.blogger.com/profile/17932610762927945324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-44269070921866899162009-12-01T20:04:30.925+05:302009-12-01T20:04:30.925+05:30//may i say that there are still tribes in world, ...//may i say that there are still tribes in world, who kill any forienger who enters there territory, some still kill man and eat..perhaps for there civilization, it was all moral..evolution is yet to teach them what is right and what is wrong. <br />religion teaches us if u kill u are doing a sin, if somebody beats you, forgive him. and stuffs like that.//<br /><br /><br />sammy,<br /><br />விவாதத்திற்காக பேசுவோம். காட்டுவாசிகளும் பரிணமித்தே வளர்கிறார்கள் இல்லையா, காலம் தேரும் அவர்களும் அவ்வாறு "காட்டுத் தனமான" செயல்களை ஒரு ரிச்சுவலாக கையாளும் பொருட்டு அவைகளின் நல்லது, கெட்டதுகள் அடுத்த தலைமுறைகளுக்கு எடுத்துச் செல்லப் படுகின்றன... அல்லது they will run out of choices of doing whatever they are doing at one point of time for example cannibalism. However, did you know or heard any tribes who constantly preyed on their own race, to meet their food needs? Did they have lots of moral policing and other legal set ups as we do in our modern times, to thwart more bad things from happening??<br /><br />எல்லாத்துக்கும் மேலே இயற்கை எப்படி குறைந்த பட்சம் நமக்கு வெகு அருகாமையில் மரபணுக்களை வைத்து வரும் வாலில்லா குரங்குகினங்களில் கூட அடிக்கடி நாம் (மனிதர்கள்) போர்களின் மூலமாக (அதுவும் மதம், இனம், மொழி இத்தியாதி, இத்தியாதி...) வெகு பொருட்செலவிலும், மக்கள் இழப்புகளின் மூலமாக தீர்த்துக் கொள்ளும் பிரச்சினைகளை, அவைகள் எப்பொழுதாதவதுதான் (territorial clashes) எந்த கட்டுப்பாடுமில்லாமல் இருக்கும் பொழுதே கூட நிகழ்த்திக் கொள்வது மாதிரி அமைத்து வைத்திருக்கிறதே. <br />அப்படியாகின் எது அவைகளை ஒன்றை ஒன்று அடித்துக் கொண்டு ஒட்டு மொத்தமாக அந்த இனமே வனங்களிலிருந்து துடைத்தெறிந்து கொள்ளாமல் இன்னமும் வைத்துப் பார்க்கிறது? என்ன காரணமாக இருக்கும்? நீங்கள் சொல்லும் 'மதங்கள்' அதற்கு நீதி சொல்லிக் கொடுத்துக் கொண்டிருக்கிறதா??Thekkikattan|தெகாhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02808562740643698471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-7871191485705614452009-12-01T09:41:32.522+05:302009-12-01T09:41:32.522+05:30தெக்ஸ்,
//பதிலே வாரதில்லையா தருமி ;-)//
சமய நம...தெக்ஸ்,<br /><br />//பதிலே வாரதில்லையா தருமி ;-)// <br /> <br />சமய நம்பிக்கைகளுக்கும் கேள்விகளுக்கும் எப்போதுமே தூரம் அதிகம்தானே ... இல்லையா?தருமிhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446077904734676229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-29974642795151134152009-12-01T09:35:41.950+05:302009-12-01T09:35:41.950+05:30sammy
எதற்கும் இதையும் வாசித்துப் பாருங்களேன். ம...sammy<br /><br />எதற்கும் <a href="http://dharumi.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post.html" rel="nofollow">இதையும் </a> வாசித்துப் பாருங்களேன். மதங்களுக்கும் மனித நன்னடைத்தைக்கும் உள்ள தொடர்பு / தொடர்பு இல்லாமை தெரியும்.தருமிhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446077904734676229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-68568586539643367352009-12-01T02:10:22.788+05:302009-12-01T02:10:22.788+05:30*நிறைய கேக்குறீங்க கடைசியா பதிலே வாரதில்லையா தருமி...*நிறைய கேக்குறீங்க கடைசியா பதிலே வாரதில்லையா தருமி ;-)<br /><br />*அனாலிஸ்ட், செமையா இருக்குங்க ஆதாரத்தோட கொடுத்த இணைப்புகள் எல்லாம். பரிணாமம் சார்ந்து கொடுத்த ஒரு சின்ன உதாரணம் வித்தியாசமானது அதோட இது...However, I hereby declare that I won’t be responsible for the consequences... :D<br /><br />இருந்தாலும் மதம் சார்ந்த புத்தகங்களை வைத்துக் கொண்டு, அறிவியல் பேச வருவது ரொம்பக் கொடுமையா இருக்குது... தாங்க முடியல.Thekkikattan|தெகாhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02808562740643698471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-42498873465011156532009-12-01T01:15:26.347+05:302009-12-01T01:15:26.347+05:30Dear Sammy,
Circular argument is made when I assu...Dear Sammy,<br /><br />Circular argument is made when I assume what I am trying prove is right. I didn't do it here.<br /><br />The quotaitons were not evidence. They merely reflect my own thoughts and I think they say it better than I were could, so I used them.<br /><br />The evidences are the studies I refer to. The studies are normally performed to answer the questions raised, then independetly verified and reviewed before publication.<br /><br />There are many studies in primates, which also supports the notion that we have an innate sense of morality. <br /><br />How is that a circular argument?<br /><br />Can you honestly say the religion helps people to be more moral? Is there any religious country in the world where you'll be safe without a police or law department?<br /><br />BTW, tribes have their own belief/religious system which is again a normally faith based system.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447559419199536422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-22570892502023423512009-11-30T22:56:49.781+05:302009-11-30T22:56:49.781+05:30PAPPU
easy man .. easy.
மொக்கையில் மொக்கை.
glad y...PAPPU<br />easy man .. easy. <br />மொக்கையில் மொக்கை.<br />glad you took it in the right spirit.<br />thanks, man.தருமிhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446077904734676229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-40026383541404555212009-11-30T22:32:00.476+05:302009-11-30T22:32:00.476+05:30சாரி தருமி சார். சும்ம விளையாட்டுக்கு சொன்னது கொஞ்...சாரி தருமி சார். சும்ம விளையாட்டுக்கு சொன்னது கொஞ்சம் உங்கள டிஸ்டர்ப் பண்ண மாதிரி தெரியுது. was just kodding. There will be no more of that kind. :)Prabhuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17651197675170042803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-54906273312311250512009-11-30T20:36:58.806+05:302009-11-30T20:36:58.806+05:30Dear Analyst,
//Because in religion people are le...Dear Analyst,<br /><br />//Because in religion people are led by blind faith without any rationale behind them. Most of the religions do not encourage free thinking//<br /><br />how come if few scientist makes a mistake, they are learning, and if a particular religion opposes gallileo, all religion are painted in the same picture. and you go back to medievial period. did'nt catholic church asked apology for gallileo trail. didnt they accept it was there mistake.<br /><br />//It can help predict the potential negative consequences of imperfect vaccination.<br />•Helped us to understand how HIV jumped across the primate barrier<br />•Helped us to predict the mutations of bird flu virus responsible for the evolutionary leap from birds to humans//<br /><br />am not convinced yet, in my opinion you dont need theory of evolution to do all these. perhaps a medical guy and a guy who has studied evolution can understand. as far as my understanding goes, when a virus jumps from one species to another, it might acquire certain new properties from the new species and develop a different strain. all you need is a man who got infected from a poultry farm, and few tests on the poultry might prove he got the virus from so and so...and another comparitive study on both the virus will explain, what change has been gone throuh in the virus.<br /><br />p.s ..maa'm may be you should write blogs more on science, as you would explain for laymen. i have been stunned by some of your arguments, in other forum .Samuel | சாமுவேல்https://www.blogger.com/profile/17932610762927945324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-4022238156430228002009-11-30T20:20:14.286+05:302009-11-30T20:20:14.286+05:30Analyst Maa'm
you seem to have a studied docu...Analyst Maa'm<br /><br />you seem to have a studied document for all the points you make, and you also seem to rely on scientist quotes a lot.....can i say this is a circular reasoning. how does einstein or Weinberg comments on moral values and social system, becomes argumentative here..we are not speaking about physics here right.<br /><br />// found that countries where higher numbers of people accept evolution have lower rates of murders, suicides, sexually transmitted diseases, teenage pregnancies, etc. //<br />who gave this definiton of what is wrong and what is right ? evolution ?. may i say that there are still tribes in world, who kill any forienger who enters there territory, some still kill man and eat..perhaps for there civilization, it was all moral..evolution is yet to teach them what is right and what is wrong. <br />religion teaches us if u kill u are doing a sin, if somebody beats you, forgive him. and stuffs like that. perhaps if you think of a world with noreligion or whatsoever, do you think these values would have come...defintley no. if you come out of circular reasoning, you might understandSamuel | சாமுவேல்https://www.blogger.com/profile/17932610762927945324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-8507476130599839322009-11-30T14:33:17.019+05:302009-11-30T14:33:17.019+05:30//With or without religion, you'd have good pe...//With or without religion, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but <b>for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.</b>//<br /><br />அட .. ரொம்ப நல்லா இருக்கே!<br /><br />//"serious note.<br />you might say there is no God, but beleiving in GOd has helped mankind immensely, more importantly has taught him moral values."<br /><br />This simply is not true.//<br /><br />இதற்கொரு சான்று <a href="http://dharumi.blogspot.com/2009/06/330-8.html" rel="nofollow">இங்கே ...</a>தருமிhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446077904734676229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-74368618209629086662009-11-30T12:44:41.044+05:302009-11-30T12:44:41.044+05:30Dear Sammy,
"i want to know this seriously..w...Dear Sammy,<br /><b>"i want to know this seriously..was the theory of evolution helped scientist in succesive inventions made around the world ? did it helped mankind ?"</b><br />Yes. A lot. Most obvious help is in medical practice. <br />Here are few examples<br />•It can help predict the potential negative consequences of imperfect vaccination.<br />•Helped us to understand how HIV jumped across the primate barrier<br />•Helped us to predict the mutations of bird flu virus responsible for the evolutionary leap from birds to humans<br />•There are many ongoing research looking into human vulnerability to cancer and the role of natural selection, clinical depression and if suicide attempts are really just evolutionary bargaining chips in intense social disputes.<br /><br />You can read a more detailed summary http://www.evolutionandmedicine.org/editorial.pdf and http://www.sciencemag.org.ezproxy.auckland.ac.nz/cgi/content/full/310/5756/1878<br /><br /><i>"Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution"</i> - evolutionary biologist and Russian Orthodox Christian Theodosius Dobzhansky (1973)<br /><br /><b>"americans say 'god bless america' even our(indian) PM in this US visit said 'god bless india'...how is it that superpower leaders whom we believe govern this world, have beleif in God so much..does it not teach us a lesson that we have some superpower above the superpower(america)..and that superpower is god as proclaimed by leaders.... and was it one reason that soviet union disintegrated(i already said lighter note),(expect some reply though)."</b><br /><br />In 1633 Galelio was sentenced to life imprisonment for suggesting that Earth revolved around sun. Why? Because his theory was considered to be dangerous to the Christian faith. Majority at that time simply did not even want to give him the benefit of the doubt. But that did not change the fact. A recent survey in USA found that if a scientific FACT were found that contradicts their religious beliefs, 65% of religious people will reject the fact. Isn’t that just unbelievable?<br /><br />BTW, America is the most religious country in the developed world. <br /><br /><b>"serious note.<br />you might say there is no God, but beleiving in GOd has helped mankind immensely, more importantly has taught him moral values."</b><br /><br />This simply is not true. <br /><br />I love this quote from Einstein: <i>"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.”</i><br /><br />You can also bring in lots of examples of religious people to justify immoral behavior, from slavery, racism to genocide. <br />You can also compare countries with different levels of acceptance of evolution. One such study, which is related to what I gave Aashiq as an example, found that countries where higher numbers of people accept evolution have lower rates of murders, suicides, sexually transmitted diseases, teenage pregnancies, etc. It was found that more secular societies (such as Denmark, Netherland and Switzerland) are healthier in every aspect. <br /><br />Here’s the study: http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/pdf/2005-11.pdf<br /><br />The results could be attributed to secular societies being more open minded and being able to look after each other better, hence less need to kneel for an imaginary being in the sky.<br /><br />There’s also growing evidence that morality is something innate and something that evolved with us.<br /><br />Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate in physics once said that With or without religion, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.<br /><br />Because in religion people are led by blind faith without any rationale behind them. Most of the religions do not encourage free thinking.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447559419199536422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-58808972703134364122009-11-30T07:34:54.812+05:302009-11-30T07:34:54.812+05:30"Even in other verses Qur’an tells Man is cre...<b>"Even in other verses Qur’an tells Man is created from Semen (semen may not be the right word; Qur’an does not refer that as Semen, it refers it as a surging fluid/ gushing water/ the liquid that pours out). What is stunning to see is not semen; because everybody knows due to semen we are created. Qur’an further moves on to say where exactly the semen comes from. That is a stunner. "</b><br /><br />How come Allah totally forgot to mention the egg? Human is created from one egg and one sperm. Not semen, which would contian millions of sperms. Sperm only contains half the set of chromosomes and can't be created into human by itself. The other half set of chromosomes and lots of other materials to get the early embryo going are actually in the egg. So what happened?Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447559419199536422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-85243610978631133442009-11-30T07:18:56.937+05:302009-11-30T07:18:56.937+05:30Now that the evolution questions are out of the wa...Now that the evolution questions are out of the way, Can I please ask some questions about the quranic versions you have provided (BTW, it would probably help, if you say which translation you trust is very authentic and which ones you think shouldn't be followed, then it will be easier to avaoid all the confusions).<br /><br /><b>"Allah (swt) says in Qur’an that he will forgive whatever sin the mankind has done, but associating partners with him he will never forgive."</b><br /><br />Did you actually read what you wrote/ Let me get this staright. So Allah will forgive anything mankind (presumably this includes womankind too), except associating partners with him? <br /><br />So he is ok to forgive murderers, rapists, or any other criminals who have done horrendous things? WOW and you are ok with it?<br /><br />Now, why is Allah so insecure? Who cares if anybody is associated wiht him? Isn't he an all powerful, all knowing person?Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447559419199536422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12236223.post-30124262581090456332009-11-30T07:10:43.876+05:302009-11-30T07:10:43.876+05:30"You asked “then who created GOD”. GOD would ...<b>"You asked “then who created GOD”. GOD would not be created nor destroyed. He tells us in Qur’an “He does not got birth by somebody nor He give birth to somebody” (Qur’an: 112:3)."</b><br /><br />Regardless of what the Quran says, it’s a logical fallacy. If everything needs a creator, then god needs a creator too. Please explain it to me. You say god created all the complexities we see. Then shouldn’t the God be kind of even more complex? If you claim that the complexities we see can’t gradually happen, then how could a much more complex being (god) come into existence without a creator? – Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidences – I am looking forward to your extraordinary evidences.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15447559419199536422noreply@blogger.com